Speaker 0 00:00:00 Wait, wait, stop for one.
Speaker 0 00:00:11 Welcome to Zen. 10, speaks a show where I make new friends and reconnect with old ones. A show where everyone's stories may inspire you to tell your own story. In this podcast, we encourage everyone to get rid of shame, guilt, fear, doubt, and judgements for themselves and for others and replace those with love, empathy, compassion, understanding, kindness, and to do your best in everything that you do in essence, to get rid of things that no longer serve your wellbeing, to be true to yourself, and be honest with others. No need to be politically correct. That's out the window with 2020 here we tell the raw uncensored story, your story, and tell the truth as you see it, make sure you live your fulfilled life without permission or apologies. So if you have a juicy, interesting, raw unapologetic story in inspiring, please make sure to contact
[email protected]. It is Z N T E N N to one gmail.com. Or you can find me on most social media platforms. You know, it, the, I G Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, uh, only fans. I mean, not really. Uh, but yeah, so let me just kidding. I'm not, as you may have guessed it. My name is Zen and welcome to the show.
Speaker 0 00:02:08 I say, good, good, uh, moaning or good afternoon. It's a joke. Um, all right. So yeah. Yeah. So today we have a guest. He is known on Instagram as brother Gregory out and or Gregory over at, uh, Gerald Gregory is a phenomenal artists. We met on Instagram. His passion is homoerotic art, queer art and creative art editing. He was so I was so honored to have my portrait edited by Gregory. Oh, and I will show the portrait. Now he made it into his own art mosaic style collage or kaleidoscope form. Here is a portrait of a Gregory old that he made for me. Please. Welcome our next talented guests, Gregory, Gregory. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 00:03:22 Awesome.
Speaker 0 00:03:23 So please tell us a bit about who you are and what you do.
Speaker 2 00:03:32 Oh, I am. I am just like you. I'm your Prada.
Speaker 0 00:03:38 Awesome. It's nice to have another brother.
Speaker 2 00:03:42 Okay. Um, I, I'm a, uh, a guy from the Netherlands. Uh, I'm in a gay marriage. Um, uh, that maybe explains why I have this, uh, uh, uh, relation this hard hanging to homo erotic art. Um, uh, I am also father of four children. Um, we call this a gay thing, came a bit later in modern life. Um, so it's, it's very nice that I can give my husband to also to share with my children. Um, they realize that massage therapists, uh, I was working for a long, long time as a massage, uh, um, uh, muscle. We call that my massage therapist. Uh, um, she can cook. I'm very specialized in the bus. Uh, I do a shaming professional, just like,
Speaker 0 00:05:00 Well, vegan, uh, cook. How, how how'd you get into cooking?
Speaker 2 00:05:09 Um, yeah. Oh my story's a long story. So I tried to put it together. Um, I had a relationship, but where to go, she was vegetarian and we go to baby and then she wanted me to cook vegetarian for him. And then my youngest daughter said, yeah, I also work for you, compare you. And I started to cook for people, reservation vegetarian. I did it for them 15 years. And then I met my husband and he decided five years ago to feed. And, um, for me, it was a little change to step over from vegetarian to vegan. And it's a wonderful world. I can tell you, um, first of all, you get free of the meat industry. And second, uh, it's a big, big world. If you eat without meat, somehow when you eat without, uh, with me, um, you are always stuck to this thing and around it, you build it with the Busta rice potatoes or whatever, but now you can, uh, I take beans or I take mushrooms, avocado, all kinds of things, uh, to build up, uh, the muse. And it's really that stick in the beginning. I was a bit afraid that it might be limited, but it's not the end, the longer I do it. The more possibilities action.
Speaker 0 00:07:07 Definitely. I love, I love that, especially that you're doing it for other people and you find new ways and it's an adventure. I was a vegan myself for a long time. And of course the first day was a challenge. It's like saying, oh, am I going to eat? There's no meat. But one thing people don't realize is what most people, when they eat, they eat everything other than meat as well. No, one's well, not no one, but most people don't sit and just eat a cow at a setting. They eat other things like vegetables or roots and potatoes, et cetera. So that's a great, that's a great thing to remember too, that does not only meat. We actually eat more other things than meat and meat is the side dish. I think so that that's so great observation there.
Speaker 2 00:08:03 Yeah. And I really want to bundle also too to say that eating vegan made me more and more aware of this meat industry that I find really difficult to digest how living souls, like we are all the animals are my brother too. It's incredible how they get treated in order to make money. Uh, that feels also like it's not to feed us, but it's to make money and above all. I want to understand that people believe in the jobs and, uh, try to, to bring good meat on the market, but industry is exploded and they're so, so much need of me to fulfill the needs of the supermarkets that is, uh, that they behave like, like beasts. I think
Speaker 0 00:09:13 That's so great story. So tell us, uh, why did you start doing the art that you do on Instagram? Like how and why?
Speaker 2 00:09:26 Um, the story starts insects that I love the tool to, uh, to be a photograph. And I had my own dark room mates, a lot of pictures. Uh, it was mainly black and whites and I love doing it. Um, then, uh, I became a father and as a father, uh, you can see them almost the whole, all day while they are doing, besides the cleaning, the net piece or giving them orange or whatever. They like photos of the child. So I did, I mean, all the photos, and then at certain moments, you are with hundred photos and once you can do with it. So I started to, uh, make collages with the photos of my children. So I could, uh, have stem, settled, boring out of people, return the pictures of my children just done and then nice rearranged like a squash. Is this how I started it?
Speaker 2 00:10:45 And then I continue to kind of social engagement type reading paper. Then I sold out when I'm reading the beta on the one page, uh, I could see, uh, really horrible things, uh, from far away, uh, on the other page, I could see beautiful things, so sports, whatever it came all together, the whole world comes together in a paper and I get the student, how can I see on this page? One thing on the other patient, something completely different. And I started to make glitches of that to bring this news items, uh, together. Um, that's how I started this collage of things in fact with my children and later, which the newspapers.
Speaker 0 00:11:48 Wow. That's great. Is it all right, so we can, uh, go on one of the photos you sent me on Instagram was, was that, uh, from the newspaper, it looks like from paper and is black and white. Was that one of those collages
Speaker 2 00:12:06 Ish? So
Speaker 0 00:12:08 The first photograph is very interesting. Can you tell us a bit about it?
Speaker 2 00:12:15 Um, yeah, it just, uh, uh, people from Africa that I started to, to, to make it a big old <inaudible> size. So it stopped with children of Africa that, uh, queuing to get food from the word course organization and behind it. Um, uh, uh, there's an army of Taiwan, uh, um, prisons in Latin America, uh, people from Asia, uh, from all over the world, India, uh, special circumstances, there was also, uh, a Dutch government, uh, hidden in it. Uh, they all, all types, I was crying and it ends up with, uh, a stadium, a football match, people shouting from Andrew Shazzam has nothing to do with thing, but only would sport.
Speaker 0 00:13:25 It's so interesting. And definitely, I sh I'll show it on the, on the screen here. And the next photo, it looks like there are cows. What is that really?
Speaker 2 00:13:38 Yeah. Rico's of this industry. We talked about it. Um, I live in the country, uh, that is no, uh, about this high, uh, meat production, the area where I live. Um, this is, uh, a region where a million people live, but they live long to half a million pigs. So more the extent people. And, uh, the funniest thing is that when you go around in the area, you see no one date, they all hidden in bond. So Audrey stables, whatever, um, they live with so many close to each other and, uh, high standards maybe for taking care of them. But, um, I took a picture of the cow in that time, just like things with cows. Uh, they lived too close to each other when one get a disease, they get it all. Um, so, uh, it, wasn't a hot item in the nineties. It's also crazy our illness. I don't know what you call it like that in the English two for three, call it the crazy illness. And it's so sad to, to, to see those animals, uh, uh, infected the symptom, moving the industry, um, getting killed by the effects or this industry. And, uh, the articles are looking over the, let's say <inaudible>, it was just a picture also in the paper that they will standing in the shield. But, um, it's, uh, yeah, it's such a intense, um, happening I needed to pay attention to.
Speaker 0 00:15:49 Yes, it is. Right. You did a great job as very, the job you did in the collage. You convey, you have a message and it conveyed, it appeared clearly. And it's amazing. And it seems like one photo, but it's several photos that you put in together. Because as I see in the photo here, it's like the cow is looking at other cows laying down, probably dead or sick. And our human thinks where are above it all and how we think they have no feelings, but they probably are thinking like you and I, oh, wow. This is my mother or my neighbor dead and have disease and what's happening. And it's, it's very, it's very sad. Um, currently, as I mentioned, I used to be vegan. I'm not vegan anymore, but now I'm a, what's this called friggin. So if it's free, I will eat it, uh, because I I'm in the catering industry.
Speaker 0 00:16:51 And so I've noticed that instead of basically starving myself or buying meat, uh, good if it's free, cause it threw it in the garbage anyway, it's a, it's a bad industry, so I'll eat it. And also my doctor, because of my body type, I need to have some types of nourishment, which I was not doing when I was vegan properly. Uh, so yeah, definitely I do not endorse the killing in the money aspect of the industry, but for feeding, with example, with different people around the world, I do understand, and I do not judge them on that aspect, but when it comes to, uh, capitalism of murder in and, uh, mistreatment of animals thinking we're than them, it's definitely horrible. And I do not support that.
Speaker 2 00:17:54 Yeah. Yep. Um, finally I never became such little meat and it's what you say when it comes on my way, I'm not going to be an activist or spoiling the party and saying, I do eat food and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I just don't buy it. It's emails. And I don't want to exclude myself. I don't want to exclude meat eaters, but I need this awareness of what is happening in those bonds with all those animals you don't see.
Speaker 3 00:18:53 Uh,
Speaker 0 00:18:58 So the next collage is a third one. It shows a child with a white flag or cloth. Would you explain that please?
Speaker 2 00:19:08 Yeah, I made it a long time ago. Uh, remember that the, the, the boy with the white flag, it's the flag of peace, a little child in Jeff Jr. In Russia. Uh, uh, it was a horrible, uh, wall there. And you can, you can see this telcos out of the, the, the, the, yeah. How do you say it? The, the ships or, um, typically that he walks with a red flag and at the same time in Africa, uh, his age, uh, uh, brainwashed and getting guns in the hands, um, this, this, uh, contradiction that I saw in the newspaper, I signed it also. Uh, yeah. Uh, I don't know the word. I can look it up. Um, it was good to use this word heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking to see this kind of things, what you would get into any war or being even in years old, active in more, how can this happen in our world? It's so sad to see.
Speaker 0 00:20:42 Yes, definitely. I do remember what year is it the war? Like the, the African war between those tribes? Uh,
Speaker 2 00:20:52 Yeah. What you talked about this, maybe I think I should go down with this boy also in central Africa somewhere. I don't remember exactly, but, um, you know, I also, uh, it happens in Africa, but it is, uh, I think the nineties,
Speaker 0 00:21:18 Right, right. I remember I was a kid, but I remember my parents talking about it and he was in the news. And, and then later on, as an adult, I watched a movie with one, uh, hotel over Rhonda or something, maybe like that. And it was very heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 00:21:35 It's also wrong. 1995 console. I can <inaudible>
Speaker 0 00:21:45 Um, those situations definitely even what's going on right now in of ganas 10, w my people asking me, what do I think of it? My only answer is I am grateful of where I am. That's what I think of it, because thinking of it, because if I cannot do anything physically, so mentally, the only thing I can do is being grateful of where I am now and making sure every day that I practice gratitude and treating others around me. Well, that's what I can do as, as Michael Jackson says, I love, uh, uh, zoom, if you, if you were a fin as well with his lyrics, he says, if you, uh, uh, I don't remember exactly, but the quote, but if you want to make a change, look at the men in the mirror and, and make the change for yourself. So, so what I do is instead of, I'm not someone who usually feel bad, but if I feel bad, what I do is I turn that feeling back into what can I do myself to create the change around me. So if I see war elsewhere, I make sure I create peace within me and around me. And especially at work, there was this person I want to call her horrible, but I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:23:19 Yeah. So, but I don't want to at the same time, so I want to practice empathy to say, I feel bad, but I don't want to have PD either. So I just make sure that when I'm around her at my peace, I'm not pissed at myself. And I have empathy for her because whatever's happening because what we put out is what's inside of us. So I make sure what I, what comes of me is peace and smiling and happiness in respect. Because regardless that did den, I feel like she's horrible. I still have respect for her because the way she behaves toward me, she bullies me and she gossip into all of these things. And I just have to make sure that, that I do not take it personally. One of my favorite books, if you remember, if you know, is the four agreements is a, in one of other agreements is, do not take things personally and add to remember that who she is is not about me and that's her life.
Speaker 0 00:24:25 So when it comes to war people, I often say on Facebook, when I post that war happens first inside of us second, with our actions and third, our actions toward our family, friends and neighbors, lovers, et cetera, people think war happens in other countries to other people. And it's some bigger scale, but as we know, a penny or 1 cent or $1 amount to a million or a billion, which is the war, and people tend to forget that they're thinking, oh, war in Afghanistan or war in world war two, or et cetera, or coastal, or in Georgia or Jordan or whatever. And they don't think about the war that's in their families, that's where it starts. So that's a very great, beautiful, and thank you for elaborating on, on that image. I didn't think of it that way, but yeah. Wow. So, so on the fourth image here, uh, please explain, explain it. I can maybe tell what it is, but could you explain first?
Speaker 2 00:25:42 Um, yeah. You see, uh, the contradiction of, uh, uh, safety in the, in the Western worlds, um, with the, the, this, the staff, uh, uh, yeah, sorry. I should've got, uh, um, we had people come from, um, but you see, they are running, they are running for their lives. Uh, this, the girl on the phones with the cats. Um, they also so quiet that you cannot imagine it's happening in one world, and that's the main message. And then I bring two images together from the same world,
Speaker 0 00:26:52 Right. Uh, this, that photo reminds me of the war in George. I mean, w I don't know if it was a war, but what happened in Georgia in Europe? Uh, I think in maybe the nineties or early two thousands, if I could, I don't remember exactly what year, but I was a kid. Uh, do you remember that something was happening in Georgia, Georgia in Europe?
Speaker 2 00:27:16 Yeah. I don't remember when it was a lot of those countries. They tried to split from Soviet union that time, and that gave her a little struggle.
Speaker 0 00:27:32 Oh, okay. That's what it was. Yeah. When I was a kid, I didn't know, but okay. That makes a lot of sense. So they were trying to break away. Okay. So we're gonna lead, uh, down now to, I see that you have regular photos, uh, and I love maybe there's a term for that, but I can, uh, say it. I don't know what it is. I love your eye or your point of view. When you take a pictures and you are very in, and it shows your passion and you have an eye for photography and that's, that's perfect. It's awesome that you are doing exactly what you love and when you do it, it shows a message and it's beautiful. And I often promote to myself and others that do what inspires you. Actually that's the tagline of my, uh, company is I like to inspire people to do what inspires them. And I think when you do, what inspires you, you, uh, uh, I don't know if you know, Dr. Wayne Dyer. He says, when you are inspired, you are in spirit.
Speaker 0 00:28:52 And I love it. And I, I believe that 20, 20, well, even prior to 2020, I've noticed that a lot of food do things that they dislike. And sometimes I've done things that I don't like, like job to get some money temporary. And I think it's okay for growth. So you can know what you want, et cetera. But for long-term, I think it's very important for people to do what they love and what brings them happiness and joy. And they might do something temporary. That's not, does that bring them happiness, but if everyone did that, what makes them happy? I think stress or depression and other mental illnesses or physical illness will go, what'd you go down. And it's very inspiring that I see that you're doing something that makes you happy and it inspires me as well. And that's a great thing when you do something for yourself, because that's who you are inside. People will see it and, and change themselves if they are ready or willing to as well, because I'm very expired when I saw your, your Instagram. I was blown away, literally. It's, it's amazing. And I never seen anything like that before. So let's now talk about your Instagram. Um, so as we mentioned it, introduction, it's a homoerotic. Would you explain what that term is for the audience
Speaker 2 00:30:26 Homo erotic? Um, the meal buddy trails, you too erotic ceilings is a good description for you. We would make something to you.
Speaker 0 00:30:40 Uh, sure. I, I never looked at that word meaning before, but I just assumed what it meant. So that's why I wanted you to explain what it meant for them, for you or for the, in general. Yeah, that totally makes sense because erotic and do I need time? I knew what erotic or heard erotic was from Madonna erotica. If you, if you, if you know, Madonna's song erotica or album, uh, I don't know. Oh yeah. That's when I heard of the word, I never searched up the word and I, and of course home, I just guess what it was, but I never went online to see what it meant. Uh, literally. Uh, so you sent me some photos, which I will show to the audience. Uh, there's a lot of photos that I, myself, I think there are art. And I think, I thought I mentioned too, when I first met you online, your work belongs in a museum or gallery. That's just my opinion and I'm sticking to it, but others may not think so. And I think others who have, uh, maybe society or religious morals, they may not think so, but your, your work is art. So can you tell us about your experience with being censored online, especially on Instagram? Like, how do you feel about being censored?
Speaker 2 00:32:21 Um, I realized something was happening really liked that. Um, anyway, I thought it's just with this. Um, I find it difficult to find a word that I can get kind of hypnotize with the beauty of the meal form. Um, so I saw it to work with that and, uh, I, I call it the rearranging when I make, when I make this. So I get a phone call. Uh, so I stopped, um, when, uh, when I make, uh, my work, I limit myself to use only one picture. Not like before that I brought together several pictures. I made a new one. Uh, nowadays I rearrange one vision. Um, and I tried to take the box that, um, uh, triggers me the most, um, I guess soloists, Instagram, uh, it all reacting and people start to send me pictures and I really loved it because, um, nowadays you can find so much, uh, new, new meal, a meal, new to our vehicle at the, on the, on the internet when people started to, to, to send me their own, uh, news. And then suddenly somebody started to send me is completely new for me. And, and I thought, ya, who am I?
Speaker 2 00:34:38 So I started to work. Um, I just was making something about it, posting it, and it was accepted. And I even didn't think it's accepted or accepted. I just did it, but then there came a more, yeah. Then people started, people really liked it, um, that you post on internet. Um, just sort of moment that fly into my mailbox and I shot two things out, but this is a bit Moring and I have no much joy to work with it, but some of them became really beautiful, uh, three arrangements, and then suddenly Instagram started to, uh, sense on me. Um, yeah, I was a bit shocked because I was supposing at a disappears and I get a warning and I get the new warning. Um, and, uh, it was also, uh, then suddenly they start to sensor, uh, uh, uh, works of me that had nothing to do with sexuality, purely with the basic meal form that I really get. And also confused about, uh, what is happening here because I, um, uh, uh, I, uh, you have to spend form Instagram and I am also a guest. So if they have rules, um, I want to accept that, but, uh, when I don't break the rules and still they sense on me, but then, uh, it's not a reliable partner anymore.
Speaker 2 00:36:48 So that became a bit difficult. Um, finally I made the correlation for you of the, uh, no sensors and, uh, if you see them together, it's so difficult to understand why one picture is censored and the other not. And also, oh, um, did they swap his sense of office? Not suddenly. I find out that the one that was, uh, uh, determine, let's say dictate, dictates the censorship was a computer. So, um, I was fighting, it is a computer, the looks to my work, um, uh, had a global idea. And then, uh, it said yes or no. Um, in the meantime I had to start a new account because, uh, they say, if you do one more mute, they get us our rules, you lose everything. So I thought, I don't want that. I want to keep what I have. I just stopped posting over there, or at least everything or anything that, um, that might be, uh, this table. Uh, and I showed him the new, uh, accounts, uh, and I find a way to Sue this computer.
Speaker 2 00:38:33 I was putting together ambles upside down and, um, all this kind of things and, um, quite well, uh, with again, sometimes they were more, uh, more sharp than I was expecting. So also this account is in danger and my brother, Greg you account. And now I did the following thing. Uh, I opened again in the account and there I post my new work. Uh, I don't have really solo was there. Um, um, I'm not active on this account. I only posted, and I leave it for 24 hours. And if no one is censoring me, I know this robot or this computer, uh, didn't recognize sexual activities or whatever. And then I can post it on my radio account. Yeah. And this is a bit how I work now. And this morning I had a beautiful word, some very nice schools, I think, where you rearrange, they are all beautiful and this whole sense of, so it was really good that I, uh, tried it out on my, uh, uh, try out account. That's how I call it.
Speaker 0 00:40:30 Well, that's, that's very smart. And you're beating that robot. Yeah. That robot is very annoying. And as you notice, yeah. Even on my account, my account is pretty quote on quote, not a term that I agree with, but quote, unquote, clean, and I often get censored still. And I'm like, how do I get? And I think in the beginning, what my assumption is, if you get sensitive about certain things, no matter what you start posting, it will censor you automatically, regardless because you have a history of being censored, I would post feet and it would send to me, I would post my back with my blood crap, but it's not even anything sexual is because you see people's book crack on the street all the time. It was sensitively. And even I would have a photo of my crutch. She was censored me, but apparently if you have your crouch on the beach, that's okay.
Speaker 0 00:41:33 But if you have it indoors, then it means sexual. I've read something about that online about censorship. And it's very interesting how, if you were in a big bathing suit with your underwear, then it's okay. But if you are in your underwear, in your bedroom, supposedly having a supposed posing that is sexual than that is sex. And that is, and it does not make sense, but it makes sense for someone who is who, who is approved and who has morals of those things. And it's just, yeah, since a ship. And I do understand maybe parts of reason of censorship example, keeping certain things, quote, unquote clean for, uh, to not, uh, was that word, unclean, the eyes of children, or keep children safe, et cetera, et cetera. However, there is difference between art and or things that are not good for children. And, and if, if Instagram and I feel like Instagram or Facebook or a certain faces should be for adults period, or the internet should be for adults period.
Speaker 0 00:42:58 And cause I remember one time on Facebook, I would post certain posts. They were not sexual based. They were just basically, I'm a provocateur. I like to post things or say things that makes people think or get out of, get out their own skin or get out of their box to think critically. And I posted something and someone said, I'm going to unfollow you because I do not like your posts. Your posts is not safe for my children. And I immediately was offended and I wanted to say something, but I learned not to respond to say anything online. And I just either like it or don't respond or, or have this thing on Facebook, the emoji that says care when people express that this content, I usually just do the emotion that says care. As in I hear you, I care about what you say, but I don't need to make a comment.
Speaker 0 00:43:55 But in my head I said, your, you are letting your children on the internet that they can see so far worse. That is that. Yeah, that first of all, that's not my problem. And second, you are the one who's a bad parents here. You're under 18 year olds should not be on the internet. When I was there on the, on the internet, I was not looking for good things. And I know that when I was a kid and it's funny as an adult, I don't care to look for those things. But as a child, you are curious, and if that's available for your, to you, you going to do it. So if you're a parent and you not censoring your computer and even on Facebook, he was on Facebook, it was nothing bad. So he didn't want his children to read something provocative that he's children might think about. So that's not on me. So since this shit is complicated,
Speaker 2 00:44:57 Yeah. Anyway, uh, can be a standard moral, how you were talking about religious people. They have other moral feminists or Chinese people or whatever everybody is, its own standard. Um, everybody has to interfere. I understand this, this, um, feeling that, uh, June the things as they are, if they, she, they don't, uh, think, uh, automatically sexual. We can maybe if they never saw, they can think what's this or whatever, they sexualize it. And I came to this conclusion that the people with high moral standards like sexuality or nudity is, uh, immoral. They sexualize it. If I look to a guy on a sword or in the statue where the erected, um, I can think, oh my God, this is a beautiful person. Can see sexual <inaudible> sexual relationship, not me. And that's the problem with the people that tried to educate the others in what is, uh, what is, uh, you have to be censored or not. They may something, not My ceiling, but it has, um, no, we decided that, um, I would pronounce it, right?
Speaker 0 00:47:28 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:29 Um,
Speaker 0 00:47:32 Somehow they came to decide that this is, uh, immoral to show all cautious, all societies, uh, <inaudible> standards. So all is right now with the, we have those official masks. Um, maybe when it should continue for many years in moral to seek a facial mask a week to show in public because people, yeah, your mouth, you can use somebody else. You can give up, you can let your wife with it. Uh, uh, a facial mask is a moral standards. Yeah. Interesting. And it's funny, mark, mark. Your words might be because the way we're heading in our society, we'll see. I think, I think you a hundred percent right in the future here.
Speaker 2 00:48:46 Yeah. <inaudible>
Speaker 0 00:48:55 And we look at history and say, wow, that was interesting.
Speaker 2 00:49:01 This whole thing with mortality, Dr. Schmidt, do they, I saw on Instagram, somebody started to follow me. Okay, who's this. And then I went to a story and there was a piece of meat begging on the barbecue and the blood came out and I thought, oh, it's this? Oh, he shows me, do I want to see this? Does she realize that most dying for it? Um, probably, um, we'll speak together through his wife or we have nothing maybe never saw this guy. Never heard of never worked with what his life was meant to. Um, uh, Tim show this, the center of the most beautiful shooting you can have in life. Uh, at least, no. I think myself as a snowstorm, uh, I saw I had with this feeling, the sexual feelings, uh, morality says that's not good putting animals together. Like this door, there was a small eight ways in the Muslim SLAM's will not prepare. They were putting animals in <inaudible> and there they came and they can die in the trucks because they were <inaudible>. The breach has often died and nobody says, dish
Speaker 0 00:51:07 Actually
Speaker 2 00:51:07 Crazy
Speaker 0 00:51:10 On top making those rules saying what is moral and what is it more exactly.
Speaker 2 00:51:16 Yeah. And that should be a big, big question. We have to answer with each other <inaudible> with the whole sexual, the way we perfect children. When I go with my child, do it beleaguered and make specious. If my father comes to me because he sees it making pictures of his child to make pictures of my child in a Prairie garden. But we know it's suspicious when an older guy walks into a playground with a camera. And if he don't see you, you are with a child, they might only because they sexualize it. Not me.
Speaker 0 00:52:08 Right? Exactly. Wow. It's this, this coversation can be unpacked, uh, so much more with different topics. Uh, and I'm very glad and happy to have met you online. And to even have you explain your, your art to the world into me. And I'm definitely showing your art to the world to, to the extent of what I can show online. Definitely because it's not as much as I would like to be uncensored a hundred percent. But to the extent of what online people will take and the world needs to ask themselves the question of their morality. Uh, for example, with the stature example you were making of the, when you, when you go to the museum, you notice how a lot of statutes have they're cut off and refeed et cetera, when it's just part of the human body. And as you mentioned, people sexualize it and I've, uh, I've.
Speaker 0 00:53:21 I think that a lot of, and I've seen would history online on the news. A lot of people who are, who have heart high morals like the priesthood or, or people in politics in the news, there are the ones who are doing those things that they are against the other ones, school and children. They are the one who has sex trafficking with children. They are the ones, people who are against drugs are the ones who are doing drugs and hotels with other people and in their dying, and then doing all these things. And if we say, Hey, we are humans and we do things and there's, of course there's a limit. You're not going to explore children. However, if it's nothing is explorative, let it go because that's part of being humans. And so that's a big, long topic or subject. And, and, uh, I think the world have gotten better definitely from the grips of religion. Um, but there's so much more to go from there. So I question for you is how is someone listening to this can find your art and how can they be involved?
Speaker 2 00:54:39 Um, my audit is to be shamed on Instagram. My main account is, uh, Greg deal. Um, and send me a DM with damn picture and, uh, we can talk about it. Uh, I just rearrange it. I make the new form of it and, uh, uh, that, that's it so simple.
Speaker 0 00:55:15 Nice. And do you have any, any next project in line that's something different or you just enjoying this for now and nothing?
Speaker 2 00:55:27 Yeah. I try to do widen off my shelf and bits. Uh, they didn't, I don't know if I say it right, but, um, I have a second account. Uh Denbury and J R C U that I have some more freedom, I guess, more freedoms to myself to, uh, to me still this almost erotic arts within the different ways, more recognizable, um, uh, less sexual activities, which still went to mill form. Um, and I have my mainstream, uh, pounds, um, the schools, ELLs atmosphere. I post, uh, my main screen, uh, garage office, um, my, uh, nature city, people, pictures, whatever causes.
Speaker 0 00:56:43 That's amazing. Thank you so much for talking to us today and I'm very excited to show your art to everyone. That's all. So thank you so much, brother. Gray Rio.
Speaker 2 00:56:58 Thank you for having this cause
Speaker 0 00:57:04 Thank you for time. I appreciate you. I'm grateful for you.
Speaker 2 00:57:08 Uh, I appreciate you. That's why we have this connection to serve to two-way direction. Thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:57:18 Definitely. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye-bye
Speaker 2 00:57:22 Have a good day. Bye bye.
